Venus with a Cat (1997) is the fourth short film by Janina Lapinskaitė. In this bright, witty, and sensitive work, weaving the elements of documentary and feature film in a traditional Lapinskaitean way, the gaze is directed to three older sitters – Nadia, Ramutė, and Teresė. Director Janina Lapinskaitė talks to film critic Monika Gimbutaitė about the creative process of this film, her transition from television to cinema, and the search for themes and characters. The conversation occurred over a cup of coffee in March 2023, with a blizzard raging outside the window.
– Before entering the world of cinema, you worked in the television. Did you feel at that time that television was a space that attracted you, or was it a choice conditioned by more prosaic reasons?
– It was absolute prose! Our course was the first one training directors, although we also went through four years of Acting Studies together. The program was not structured yet, and we did not know who we were after graduating. But the plan was to assign us to Lithuanian Television, and during our studies, we already realized that when we got there, we would not be able to be artists with our heads in the clouds.
At first, I worked in the children’s editorial, and later on, in the youth editorial office. Honestly, working in television was a stepping stone to documentary filmmaking. Sometimes, the people I met during the TV shoots would open up to me, and not necessarily about ideological, but human issues. Such moments led me to the show Province, which already had its own documentary structure, and then to the first documentaries I also began making while on television.
However, when I started making films, there weren’t many female directors at the time: it was a man’s world. I was so afraid of that world of men. Maybe this is why I did not join it for a long time. My husband Algimantas [Puipa] lived in it – I saw how terrible, how destructive that world is. And at that time, we already had a family, small children, etc.
– What did work in television and the experience gained teach you as a film director?
– Work in television prepared me for a certain rhythm and order, material selection, and editing. But not only that. We had a great teacher, [Henrikas] Šablevičius, who virtually created the tradition of poetic cinema. He was a man in whom you could not detect any signs of that era. Generally, one cannot say that the Soviet era was integrated into everyone like a firm backbone. People of that time knew how to speak in metaphors - I felt it even during my studies, and it continued when I worked in television. We all understood where we work, knew the limits of our possibilities, and were aware that both the creator and the person can remain within any limits. For me, it was important when I worked in television and, later, in film.
– What were those first steps leading to the film?
– When I began making movies, I started addressing topics unexplored yet in Lithuanian documentaries. No one was focusing on the theme of marginalized people then, in contrast to nowadays. Maybe that's why my first works were accepted so diversely.
When I began making the film From the Life of Ants at the Antaviliai Nursing Home, privatization was undergoing at the beginning of independence, and some elders involved in these processes were being deceived. Many people thought I had to address such issues, but I wanted to make a film about love after coming there. It seems you can take everything away from these people, but if you take away their love, well, one is alive as long as one loves.
After the restoration of independence, when the film From the Life of Elves was created, which was travelling around foreign festivals, some doubted whether now was the time to represent ourselves to the world in this way by talking about it. After all, they would say it is better to rejoice in our independence! And it seemed to me that I was talking precisely about it – ultimately, the people I film have both freedom and love within.
It is probably also important that I grew up in the village with my grandparents before arriving in the city to study. The city oppressed me; here, everyone was talking about higher-level concepts. When a neighbour visited my grandmother in the countryside, they would speak in such a warm human language. In my films, when I meet ordinary people, I feel that we find common ground, and it feels good to me. Maybe that's why some would be surprised that I manage to get so close to my characters.
– How did you find the characters of the film Venus with a Cat – elderly sitters? Why did you decide to tell their stories?
– I kept hearing snippets of stories about the sitters of the Academy of Arts from my husband’s brother, the artist Audrius Puipa. I quickly realized that they were not only posing for money – they were different beings whose lives were intertwined with creativity and alcohol.
The theme of a naked body came to my work in a specific way. When I was studying, I lived with different landlords. There were no amenities, and we would go to the sauna in order to shower. And that image of naked women sitting in the sauna was so eerie to me! Back then, it seemed to me that life ends when your body loses its previous shape.
When I heard about the sitters, I felt like a curious little girl hoping to find a harmony of age and body in these women. And I have actually managed to achieve it. When such harmony exists, the aging body no longer generates negative emotions.
With the three sitters – Nadia, Teresė, and Ramutė – we followed the same path as we did with the other characters. First, we had to get to know each other. And after we found camaraderie, we started playing the film.
– What is it like to create a connection with the characters even before shooting the film? And how do you balance making the film and interacting with its characters outside of the filmmaking process?
– If I came to my characters’ home and said, “I'm a director, and now I'm going to make a film about you,” maybe we would have a cup of coffee, but nothing would come of it. And at the beginning of my acquaintance with the characters, I wouldn’t talk much about the film.
As for Venuses, they were used to the fantasies of artists, so they needed a companion above all. We would talk, drink wine, and sing romances (laughs). I would return from work and receive a call, “Janička, we have gathered, but we really need you too.” And I knew that if they truly needed me, well, they needed me (laughs).
Later, that connection does not disappear. In the very first shift, we filmed the students drawing Nadia. I put her in an empty tub, and it was cool enough. She was hastening me, but by then I already knew that if you start talking to Nadia about love, she talks, even while standing barefoot in the snow. And so it was.
I was very grateful to my characters for accepting me because it was possible to say at any minute – I don't want this anymore.
Their life stories are complicated. I have been to Ramutė’s apartment a couple of times. High-heeled shoes and an ironed dress would always be there as if she was always preparing for a banquet. She wanted a high life, and life was pressing her hard. Teresė’s body was covered in bruises. She would trip and fall and perhaps sometimes stumble, not entirely sober. I came up with the idea of dressing her in a super thin garment for the film and getting it wet. She would have posed for me naked, but she felt comfortable with the clothes under which the signs of life were not so visible.
When I finished the film, I was asked to give the phone numbers of the characters – the idea was to invite them to a TV show and talk to them without me. I would see how people sometimes look at them in the corridors of television: life had already written particular signs on their faces at that age, and it was clear that they were not intellectuals. I saw that distasteful attitude and refused to give their phone numbers away. Another might have wanted to dig into their social problems, but I wanted to see them the way I depicted them: without throwing anything out of their lives, but at the same time sifting some things through.
– Would you keep socializing with the characters of your documentaries after the premiere? How was it in the case of Venus with a Cat?
– Yes, for a while, but communication with Nadia, Ramutė, and Teresė after the film release lasted shorter than in the case of the protagonists of my first film.
I had no prior experience. I would socialize with the characters of the movie From the Life of Ants long after the premiere. One day, I told them I was planning to make a new film, and I realized how much I hurt them. I saw how they thought: why are you suddenly interested in others?.. Then I realized that one should say goodbye to the characters just like one greets them. Because the number of characters keeps growing - I cannot give them the same thing I used to offer on set anymore when we were in that fun, magical, immersive game of moving image.
However, the sitters later participated in filming the mass scenes of Puipa’s film Process. I followed their lives. For instance, I saw Teresė in the TV show Dviračio žinios / Bicycle News, and her acting talent began to burgeon. It was fun to see her on the screen.
When we were shooting the last scenes of the film, Ramutė took off the rabbit wool scarf she was wearing and wrapped it around my neck, and after the shift, she offered me to keep it. Teresė gave me a Polish cross. Many years have passed, and I still have these little talismans - signs of love and understanding.
– Your films From the Life of Ants, From the Life of Elves, Venus with a Cat, and From the Life of Lambs form a kind of series. Did you know right away that these films would become part of it?
– No, I did not know that. After finishing a film, there is a "downtime", a purge, and then you somewhat immerse yourself into another subject. When this happens, it seems that some characters and some material are already coming your way. But first, you must be clear about the topic you want to cover.
– The theme of the body, which is relevant in Venus With a Cat, you later explore in your other films, Nude and Woman Dancing on the Roof. But in all these films, you approach this theme from different perspectives.
– When I made Venus With a Cat, there were criticisms that I somehow looked down on women in this film. I was asked, how can you pour water on a character’s head or show a wet body? I didn't have such thoughts, as I was only looking for a suitable way to represent the female body, which came from my fears of that time, such as how terrible it is when the body withers. It was the tragedy of my youth.
After releasing Venus With a Cat, there was a desire to talk about the male body. By the way, the husband of Ramutė, who also used to work as a sitter, is filmed in Nude. Photographer Snieguolė [Michelkevičiūtė] shows men’s bodies in her photos, only without heads. I wanted to talk about the man’s body in the film while talking about the creator and her model and the struggle between the two.
As I matured, I no longer feared that the body was withering. Then, it began to seem that a person does not love his body only when the feeling of lovelessness is encoded in his or her head. In Woman Dancing on the Roof, I show a body destroyed, cut, and ravaged by numerous operations, all in pursuit of beauty. Through the topic of the body, I began to look for the roots of all this: why is this woman striving for beauty so much and destroying her own beauty all the same?
– In your documentaries, just as in Venus with a Cat, some elements of feature films appear. Early in your career, you seemingly have been criticized for that. But today, cinematic hybridity is on the rise. Don’t you feel a bit ahead of your time?
– You can't quite call the films of Šablevičius, my teacher, pure documentaries. In my films, such impure stylistics also appeared, and people were not always sure where to assign them: is it a feature film with non-professional actors or a documentary with elements of feature films? I wouldn't say everyone was squealing with delight until I found my place. I remember the painful criticism of the respected Saulius Macaitis for the film From the Life of Elves very well. But I understand that, at the time, it just was not clear where to assign me. And when my films were recognized abroad, I became interesting in Lithuania, too.
Now, of course, hybrid cinema is definitely on the rise. For me, when I was going in a similar direction, the most important thing was to get closer to the person; otherwise, creating a hybrid or any other kind of film would not have been possible.
At the same time, it is crucial to keep reminding ourselves that each of us has a “snake circle” around us: we can approach, but we must not forget that there is a line, and after we cross it, the snake will bite. Locating that line was both the most complicated and, at the same time, the most curious part of my work.
– Have you ever crossed the "snake circle"?
– No, I haven’t. I had a good gut feeling, and I always followed the rule: It is better to go a little less than cross it because it will be very problematic to return.
I could feel the moments when my open-hearted characters would forget they were in front of the camera. Sometimes, I had material that, I imagine, would be golden to today’s journalists. But I realized I would not be the only one watching this movie; those people have acquaintances, neighbors, and relatives. Sometimes, when the openness reached a critical limit, I would refuse to put those scenes into the film. It was very significant to me that my characters would not feel harmed after the premiere so that they would not be worse off than before.
– Venus with a Cat not only includes some elements of a feature film. Here, you go even further and break the fourth wall in its finale - the audience sees the film crew and you yourself in it. How did this idea come about?
– Such a finale, as well as the design of the set, was dictated by the protagonists. The song they are singing - we would also often sing it together, as it was from our repertoire (laughs).
– In these shots from the film ending, you look happy and seem to have had a lot of fun. Do you often feel that way when you are on the set, directing?
– I honestly can’t remember feeling any negative emotions about Venus with a Cat. I was afraid until the shooting started: Will it work, will I be accepted, will I be able to operate the way I have conceived? And then, after cracking the code, it was truly fun.
Other movies had everything, including tears. However, I think that showing your emotions on set is not an option, especially in a documentary film. Because if you are unhappy, scared, and timid, it will automatically be transmitted to your protagonists. They are not actors, so they will not play a scene for you, and they may even want to take the blame for your emotions.
The euphoria you see on set – it’s not acted out, but I knew it would be unavoidable. But after getting home, I can’t say I would feel strong. Actually, I would be exhausted… (laughs)
But having the love of those people meant the world to me. Many of my characters are no longer alive. But when I watch my films and when other people watch them, nobody thinks that the ones we see on the screen are already gone. They live on in my films. They are alive in them.